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Re: IRONMAN 3 - Spoiler alert [Don't read if you haven't seen yet]

Subject: Re: IRONMAN 3 - Spoiler alert [Don't read if you haven't seen yet]
by Winterhawk on 2013/6/24 16:50:08

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Problem 1 - Iron Patriot suit??? Huh - so the iron patriot suit is taken by the bad guys so easily. they just heat it up the arm and he goes down, then to get him out they heat up the armour until he pops out....This seemed stupid to me. Then on top of it. The bad guy gets in the suit and has full control boards the plane, put the president in suit, but for some reason the president has no control....Huh? Then they leave the president in the suit...double Huh?? They explain when all the Ironman suits show up they are all encoded to Tony so only Tony can use them. Why can the bad guys use Iron Patriot, and why is the president unable to use the suit? Makes no sense at all. Then when Rhodes gets the suit back, it works just fine for him again...I really really don't get any of this. Seems like they would just change the rules for the use of suits as it suited them..(pun intended)


I believe it is implied that the bad guys are able to take down Iron Patriot so easily is because they have some understanding as to the suit's vulnerabilities as Aldrich Killian's AIM company was able to obtain all sorts of information about the suit while designing it's current operating system. That is also why Killian is able to control the suit. It is shown that the suits need to be coded to specific users and that suit does a retinal scan as part of determination of whether person can or can't use the suit. Tony programmed his suits for Pepper as well as himself. Ironically, the President is not authorized. Tony is able to trap Killian in his suit because Killian only has control over Iron Patriot suit.


I really really do not remember any part of the movie that explained this. I could have missed it but I do not remember any explaination or even any hint at one.

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Problem 2 - I understand that they wanted a more powered down Ironman for this story, but they forgot that Tony keeps suits at his house, in his tower, etc. the reasons for him only using the broken and temp suit make no sense. Then to have him just call up his other suits and have them fight at the end shows he didn't have to be stranded with that stupid kid. He could have just have a new working suit come to his location. The ending shows this was possible for the almost the whole movie. If his basement was blocked, send them from the Stark tower etc. Or use the suits in the basement to clear the rubble off.


The suits that come to him were the newest series, something he'd just worked up at home, not yet in the tower. That rubble needed to be cleared first is why they weren't used earlier.


So Iron men suits can engage in combat...but they can not clear rubble......still seems stupid.

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Problem 3 - The bad guys, What are their powers, they seem to change. Why do we care, why set up a fake terrorist just to kill the president and replace him with the vice president. At first I thought that they just created the terrorist so that they could explain away the exploding people from their experiments that they wanted to keep secret, Setting up the terrorist to stop them from looking closer. Also why act like a terrorist and willing suicide bomb yourself if it was just for some weird corporate/greed motivation. It doesn't add up to me. Also why would the solidiers in the bad guy army be all pumped to be experimented on so they could get blown up, commit treason, etc. Having the bad guys be vets that are amputees that got super powers so they could blow up and forget their country seems off to me. Here let me grow your arm back, now please go downtown and blow yourself up as payment for your arm. Who would care about an arm when they are dead.Then they show that this was because the main villian wanted Tony to feel desperate. I don't know but the motivations for all the bad guys seem unrealistic.


Bad guys powers are speed, strength and heat, limb regrowth and apparently dragon breath for Killian. It was a real terrorist group using their less willing or able members as pawns... asking them to meet somewhere then not giving them the drugs promised to regulate and boom. Participants did not know what they were getting themselves into. Argument can be made that they followed Killian because he gave them back what their country could not and gave them more but it was also mentioned how extremis rewires the brain.


Maybe

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Problem 4 - The kid in the middle of the movie. Seems forced and seems like Disney intervention. That kid was a horrible actor added nothing to the movie.


yeah, it was a cheesy ploy although the very unsentimental way in which Tony treats the kid like an employee made it kind of amusing for me.

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Problem 5 - Pepper Potts - being the real hero. I went to see Ironman 3, Not Pepper Power. Not only did Ironman fail in saving her and protecting her but after a few injections she was easily able to rip apart a rougue ironman suit and defeat the main villian. (And did anyone every doubt from the moment they showed Peper getting the injections that she wouldn't become a super hero before the end of the show?) This was stupid. Also why are the trained exmilitary powered up bad guys so much weaker then the newly created Pepper power. those suits were able to take those random powered bad guys out easy enough, but Pepper could just rip the suits apart..Dumb, and lazy story telling.

Yeah, wasn't too crazy to see her turned in another generic super myself. If she were saving the day in purely smart woman ways (like she did in IM 1 & 2), that would've been better. Still, perhaps it's Pepper's insider knowledge of how Tony builds suits that allowed her to tear 'em up more easily.

I vote for bad writing still

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Problem 6 - Shows that Tony isn't even a requirement and actually makes no sense for him to pilot the suits. At the end when we get to see all the other Ironman suits being flown around on their own, it shows that Tony doesn't need to be involved in the operation of the suits at all. They are capble of operating completely on their own. So why would Tony ever put himself at risk. Also if he really wants the control over the suit, they also show that he can remote control the suits perfectly. So from this point on, When ever Tony is in danger while wearing his suit. It is because he is stupid for putting himself at risk and forgot that they can operate without him or that he can have perfect remote control with no need to be in physical danger himself anymore.

Yeah, I agree... I see this as possibly a point forced on the writers by producers as I think it's possible there may be a move in the works to make the suit the star rather than letting an actor like RDJ gain too much control.

All that said... meh, it was an OK movie. Personally, I enjoyed both of the first 2 a great deal more. I didn't hate IM3 but it won't be getting any glowing reviews from me.


I just though it was OK. I am not upset I saw it, but I am not happy.
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