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Re: Comment on comments (or lack of)
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Well, I'm also one of those who doesen't comment on stuff I like nearly as often as I should (of course, I make it a point to never comment on something I don't like since someone has got to appreciate it ).

Along the same lines, I won't raise a fuss if none of my images get any comments. For me, seeing the hit count creep slowly up is enough for me (and anything over 10 or so hits is a success in my book ). However, if comments tend to be regularly and often bad I am eventually prodded into posting a response comment.

I don't mind constructive criticism ("Adjust lighting for better ahadows" and the like [even if my system can't ]), but some other critical comments ("Boobs R Too Big") can get a bit frustrating after awhile

I will try to make more comments, however (hopefully ).

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I need to apologize to people for some of the comments I have made, mostly in the Adult Gallery. It has been pointed out to me that when I state that a piece of art is "not my thing" (even though it is only my opinion) that it can have a negative effect on the artist.


Add a "Me Too" to what Winterhawk said on this. I have no problem with someone simply stating "Huge Boobs aren't in my tastes", but a "Dude! WTF are you doing with her tits?" thing can get annoying

So, If i haven't said it before, thanks for all your posts on my 'art' (I'e never taken anyting you had to say in the wrong manner).

Because of this, this weekend I'll try to go through each gallery and put at least one comment down on an image that I like

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jumping in the bandwagon here...feel free to rip me guts out, yeah?

anyway, i agree with most folks here bout commenting, especially the bit bout MEANINGFUL comments. this annoys the shit outta, as it happens a lot elsewhere(deviantart)

basically, someone sees a picture, clicks the comment button, writes either two to three words(great! awesome! wonderful!) and proceeds to clikc the post button. imagine about a minute to post a comment i ain't even gonna read cause its meaningless. now if that same bloke had took the time to say something like (the lighting's off here, and the shadows are buggy, but overall....) then, even tho its techincally a negative comment, i will be much more happier, as it means he took the time to actually THINK about it. i'm sure someone else has or will say this, but i'll say it anyway. i would rather have just ONE meaningful comments/critiques on my pics, then 5 saying exactly the same thing(awesome! sigh, hate that word now)

feel free to rip into me now with pickaxes.

also, main reason i dont comment, is not because i don't like the pics, but rather because i'm never sure exactly wut kind of comments people want. serious critiques or the simple backpatting...i never know >_<

also, i will say this: i am not good at 3d art. i am middling at ART. there is a difference. most people say i'm great at 3d art, and i sigh inwardly because people still see it as 3d instead of just art. one day i will up to 'alright' at art, but that day ain't soon. i think the problem is that people still see 3d as seperate from other styles of art, when it IS just another style. one that takes about as much skill and technique as pencilling or painting. ah well, thats my two cents.

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I don't mean to get off-topic but I can tell PC why most do not view 3D as art:
With 3D software you can sell/trade/giveaway models, costumes, props, environments and even poses.
This means that if another person were to take all of these then, with only the ability to use the software, create exactly the same image. The thing about being art is it has to have something unique and organic about it*. Take drawing, if an artist draws a sketch then (under normal circumstances) he could never draw that exact sketch again.

For the record I don't consider myself an artist, though I sometimes use the term as I can't think of a better one.

* my flatmate is doing a philosophy in art paper, I been hanging around her too much.

P.S. I'm enjoying the discussion. I think the next topic should be the future of Heromorph... where is it going, how to keep interest up, to change or not to change etc...

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Back on Topic:

Artists are insecure little egomaniacs to some degree or another, so if you comment expect some kind nutty response at some point. Just look at the opinions expressed in this thread. Is it any wonder commentators run for the hills. Almost every aspect of the comments that are left have been complained about in a thread that is, at least loosely, trying to encourage folks to make more comments. Luckily the people who don't comment on the images don't read the forums either

That's not to say that I am above it all. Hardly. I have had pretty much every reaction described herein, to every type of comment mentioned. The thing that is universal by posting in a public gallery you have to take the good with the bad. Personally, when I post, I don't want comments that tell me what is wrong with my image. I show my images to a number of people ahead of time to get that type of feedback. Negative statements bum me out when I think about how they are going to be there for as long as the image is up. However, no matter the type of comments I receive I am grateful that someone took the time to leave them.

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There are two main types of critiques that I've received in the past, one I really appreciate one one type I effin' hate. What I mean by critique is not "Cool image" or "Wow I like this", those kinds of comments are just that, comments. Not that I don't appreciate those either. The first is a content critique, such as "Her skit shouldn't be that shape" or "Her boots aren't like that", as opposed to "Her leg should bend like that" or "Her shoulders should be more slumped" or even "The shadows are a bit too strong compared to the light source.". Sadly, I get too much of the former and not enough of the latter. It's the content critique I hate for one main reason; I'm not a 3d moddler. If I could get her boots to look the way they're meant to or to get her skirt to be the right shape, I would have. That's not a critique, that's a nitpic. And that's why I hate them. Whereas the other kind I referred to, while still not wholly positive, they still helpful. I'm still learning things like lighting and posing and I need every helpful comment I can get that helps me improve my next image.

Does that make sense or do I sound like a lunatic?

And yes, I'm aware I'm not the best when it comes to giving comments. so no need to point that out.

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My simple apology opened a can of worms and that was not my intent. I had been told that some of my comments were either bothering some people or could influence them negativly. The comments that followed my apology surprised me.

After reading what others said I was rather confused about what to do about my comments. Some like my comments, some think they are just fluff, and others think I have no right to comment on their art because I don't do that kind of art. (I have actually tried my hand at all the art types, I have done and posted 2 manips, tried drawing but they sucked so I didn't post them, colored many drawings and posted them, and I have even tried 3D. I found 3D very difficult and never posted the picture I am still working on.)

I have thought for several days on what to do about making comments. I have decided to continue to make comments on most if not all of the art posted here. I probably will still make comments like "cool", "awesome", and "I like this" but I will also try to make more constuctive comments also. I will not say "not my thing" or "I like your other stuff better" anymore.

One more thing, if any artists would rather NOT receive comments from me on the work, PM me and tell me that and I will stop commenting on your work.

I do not care about my post count (it is just a number), I just comment to try and be a nice guy and because I thought people enjoyed comments on their work (I know I do). I do this because I enjoy it. Some of the joy has now been taken out of it.

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well it is sad to here that some of the joy has been taken from you.
I also would like to say that I am glad that we are all having this conversation.
Yes every person likes different things. That again is why I am suggesting we encourage any comments except the ass kind.

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Re: Comment on comments (or lack of)
BHM, I think you need to step back and think a moment. Your comments, are they honest? Yes. Are they meant to be mean? No. Are they just your opinion? Yes. Does the artist need to realise this? Yes. Does he need to either accept it as your opinion or grow a thicker skin? Yes. If they cannot, is it your malfunction? No.

In other words you are doing nothing wrong. Get over it. Your friends take you for what you are. Anyone else is not worth the effort.

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My simple apology opened a can of worms and that was not my intent. I had been told that some of my comments were either bothering some people or could influence them negativly. The comments that followed my apology surprised me.

After reading what others said I was rather confused about what to do about my comments. Some like my comments, some think they are just fluff, and others think I have no right to comment on their art because I don't do that kind of art. (I have actually tried my hand at all the art types, I have done and posted 2 manips, tried drawing but they sucked so I didn't post them, colored many drawings and posted them, and I have even tried 3D. I found 3D very difficult and never posted the picture I am still working on.)

I have thought for several days on what to do about making comments. I have decided to continue to make comments on most if not all of the art posted here. I probably will still make comments like "cool", "awesome", and "I like this" but I will also try to make more constuctive comments also. I will not say "not my thing" or "I like your other stuff better" anymore.

One more thing, if any artists would rather NOT receive comments from me on the work, PM me and tell me that and I will stop commenting on your work.

I do not care about my post count (it is just a number), I just comment to try and be a nice guy and because I thought people enjoyed comments on their work (I know I do). I do this because I enjoy it. Some of the joy has now been taken out of it.


If I were an artist here, BHM, I'd be really glad you took the time to post on my work...either 'great!' or 'eh, not so good'..at least you are making an effort to give your opinion. A lot of people here don't. And, like our buddy 'Hawk, I'm kinda sorry that the "joy in your life" has been burned. Like I ststed earlier, I'm a kitchen artist, not a picture specialist. That's why I come here...to see all kinds of art...whether or not it's "good" or "bad" doesn't matter..."Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" fits here.

I'm gonna keep plugging away at my comments and thoughts...and, if anyone wants to dump on me...go right ahead...I'm used to it.

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I have been thinking on 'Hawk question about how to get more comments. In short, I do not think it is easily done.

If you think about it we have several types of users. The regulars that post their work and make comments. Figure that most of the communication they do is in the chatbox or e-mails. It is a select group and anyone not privey to the inside jokes is lost alot of the time reading the comments.

There is the pros that fly in, post a work or two, fish for commission/sales, and rarely comment. Can't blame them, because they have to hustle up work or starve. Doesn't leave much time for much else.

Then there is the lurkers. They look and on rare occasion will post a comment or picture. A way to get them more active is what 'Hawk was talking about.

I think the regulars set the example. Taking the time to post and going out of the way to engage someone new when they comment or post is about the only way I can think of. That takes time and effort. It takes a bit of bravery to post a picture or make a comment. When someone does it they are opening themselves up to critism or in someways worse, being ignored.

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I confess to being a "comment lurker". I read comments on all posts and my posts but I don't comment often. I have a "dial-up" excuse but I find comments both helpful and inspiring. I have suffered my share of "flamers" ("Mr. 1.0, for example), but I hereby vow to comment more often.

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I mostly comment when an image grabs me and makes me go 'wow'. I'm still pretty new at 3d and haven't paid all of my dues yet.
If I know the artist, I will make critques. If I know them, I know how I can phrase a critque without getting my head torn off.

I agree with Bio, artists are a bit insecure and passionate about their work. If your are passionate about it, you probably shouldn't be doing it. I know that Bio and I have had serious discussions about my work and I've defended it heavily. Then I try what Bio suggests and he's usually right.

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I've seen the argument that 3d isn't art. I was on a website and some guy went off, "True art is..." blah blah blah. According to his argument nothing in 3d is original, unless to model it yourself.
Then he mentioned photography. Photography is art. Sadly; according to him, unless the picture of the bowl of fruit is of a bowl you hand crafted and the fruit is from your orchard and the film is something you made with your own silver emulsion formula, you aren't an artist.

camera=computer
film=program (poser, DAZ...)
bowl of fruit=downloadable content

I try never to call myself an artist, because of people like him. I make, what I consider to be, 3D art.

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Anyway, being a Herald of 3D, I'll do my best to comment more on images and impart what little I know about 3D. I apologize for not already doing that..

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The person that said that about 3d art is a moron.
Art is art, the tools may vary. that's like a sculpturer telling a pianter he isn't a artist because he didn't make the paint.
or a penciller telling a inker he isn't an artist because he didn't pencil the image. or the inker telling the colorist he isn't an artist because he just filled in the color in the blanks.
all a bunch of bullshit.


truthfully, I think the lack of comments is all Daruma's fault.

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BHM-

I wouldn't worry about how your comments are taken. If something moves you to comment or you see something and you want to start a dialog with the artist about some technique you picked up that would help them, you should do it.

I don't want people to second guess if you should comment or not. Go with your instinct.

I also want to admit that I like comments and it does bug me to get a high view number but few comments. Ultimately, I can't change that. I enjoy having people comment on my stuff and give me advice. I'm here to improve my work and someday, I'd like to have my work be publishable.

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Hmm, well I guess that I'll throw my 2 cents in. It seems to me that a lot of us are saying the same thing, that as long as people are looking at our stuff and were getting hits, any hits than that's fine with us. More constructive comments would be great, but they probably aren't going to happen. It also seems to me that none of us are alone in that at one time or another someone online has been a real ass and made us feel like crap because something we posted wasn't spectacular. We all seem to also have been on the other end and been the asses, I know that I can say that's been the case for me. I feel for Hawk and BHM, because I've all but left other sites where it just wasn't fun for me to participate anymore because of noobs that waltzed in like they owned the place and made me a long time user the object of their hate filled ridicule. Luckily many of my online friends defended me on those occasions and got the a-holes banned, but it doesn't make me want to go back to those places. I've always been careful not to be that way, and if I have ever said anything to offend another poster on any site, I've been quick to appolgize and difuse the situation. Like most others have said, I'm also one to only comment if something really strikes me, and if all I can say is a rather mundane, "That's Cool", or "Awesome Job", then it's only because other words escape me or there are about 10 other posts that have already said what I wanted to say and I just want to throw in my support that's all. I do on occasion try to offer insight to how things might be done better, but a lot of 3D and Photomanipulation is beyond me so I can't really be of much help there, and most 2D artists are better than me anyway, so why try to help someone who's better. Anyway, I do appreciate the few comments that I do get in return that are those of encouragement or that I've made someone laugh with something humorous that I've done, and I usually always respond with a thanks since I do appreciate the time taken that I am noticed in this sea of varried talents we have here.

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AHHH! to comment or not to comment..that is the question. What's the answer? Who cares and why should you? if you spend your life trying to please others with your art then you've got a long journey ahead of you cuz not everybody thinks the same. people have thier preferences on what type of art they comment on and the only way to know is to ask each and every member [not gonna happen ]! although i do agree that sometimes it seems like only certain types of images or certain artist get consistant comments while other just get a hit or two here and there. What do ya think posters put thier hearts and souls into thier work for?..just for you to treat it as just a passing fancy by gracing it with a hit!? Screw the hit count! i could care less how many hits I get...it doesn't always mean that people like what you post..it mostly means that people want to see the thumbnail at full size, because sometimes what appears to look good in thumbnail view doesn't translate to full scale. I mean if i get 200 hits but only 2 comments it doesn't make me feel that i've accomplished anything or that what i've done is appreciated! but ya can't let that bother you not if you have faith in your abilities. true it's hard to comment on everything people post..i don't...hell i barely browse all the galleries [this site has just become too f**king big to see and comment on everything]. the problem is that everything an artist posts, he/she thinks is a masterpiece, and to them it might be. and thats all that should matter. an artist is nothing but a dreamer if no one sees his/her work, but if a thousand see it and say nay bhut just one person says aye then his work is done. in other words...POST FOR YOURSELF!

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Sorry Star, I disagree on "screw the hit count". Reguardless of whether they hate the pic or like it. They looked at it. 5000 hits and 2 comments doesn't bother me. I don't demand that every single person who looks at my stuff should comment. So I seperate the two.

Usually, when I look through my gallery. I look at my pics based on hits. I learned long ago that what you like and what your "fans" like can sometimes be far apart. So I like to evaluate that. For example: Of my original characters, my Firebird has always been that one character. Kinda like hawk's Winterhawk. But when I first started posting here, people completely ignored Firebird and focused on a space filler I didn't give two thoughts about named Bolt. Nobody said all that much in the comments, but I noticed the hit count AND the fact that STarchild and a couple others did manips with that character.

On the d**kmouth commenters. I said I respect people who have the knowledge to back up their comments. Those people I can learn from. The points where I get janitors and cops spitting on my work...... Well, as per the norm here at HM, I am a smart ass. So I'll leave messages in my art if someone erks me that much. Or maybe hijack your thread and talk about something completely unrelated to your original purpose.

As for that comment about working toward that ONE comment that says aye and his work is done....... That sounds like a holy grail type thing. I think the deal is that the bad always outweighs the good. That's what bothers people so much. They always focus on the negative and overlook the positive. One bad comment can outweigh 10 good ones.

.....sorry if I'm rambling. it's 3am here.

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Sorry Star, I disagree on "screw the hit count". Reguardless of whether they hate the pic or like it. They looked at it. 5000 hits and 2 comments doesn't bother me. I don't demand that every single person who looks at my stuff should comment. So I seperate the two.


I hugely agree. The hit counter is a good indication of what kind of images grab peoples' collective eye. If I do an image that doesn't get too many hits, I'd be less inclined to do another in the same style and/or subject matter. It's also a good way of getting feedback without having to rely on comments. I have a good idea of what people do and don't like here, similarly on DA and Rendo. Something that I post there might get a couple hundred vews a few rating and a half dozen comments here, while it might not even get a second look on Rendo or DA.
I don't do pics for myself, I do them for others' enjoyment. So like the first rule in entertainment, I try to give the people what they want. If we lose the hit counter, I'll have no idea if an image is liked or not.

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